Comments on Timothy Ministry: Come Unto Me, All Ye That Labor

The Scriptures you posted are very simple. We cann...

2009-07-30T14:39:23.018-03:00

The Scriptures you posted are very simple. We cannot earn our salvation. Nothing we do can ever merit justification. We cannot be justified because we deserve it. We are justified by grace, unmerited favor.

When a sinner turns from their sins and turns to Christ, they still deserve hell. They do not deserve to be justified, because they have sinned. They do not deserve to go to heaven

We are not disputing whether repentance must prece...

2009-07-30T12:36:03.950-03:00

We are not disputing whether repentance must precede forgiveness. That is evident from many places in Scripture. For example: "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." (Luke 24:47) So there is no use in challenging me on the ground that I do not believe in repentance or that repentance is necessary. You

Anonymous, the only problem is the fact that you w...

2009-07-29T23:04:16.715-03:00

Anonymous, the only problem is the fact that you would interpret repent as "stop all you sins" and of course no one is arguing against the fact that one turns from sin to Christ. It is just your idea that you have to take an inventory of your life to see if you are worthy to receive grace, ie stopping all your sins before God will hear your cry. When you were in court and saw the mercy

Isn't there a chance that the Bible doesn'...

2009-07-29T22:02:36.762-03:00

Isn't there a chance that the Bible doesn't clearly explain the order and inner-workings of salvation in a single verse?

One says you must believe and repent, the other says you must believe.

Is it possible to truly believe without repenting? No. It's the same as explained in James. Faith without works is dead. If you don't have works, you have a dead

There is no doubt that we are saved by grace. Ther...

2009-07-29T21:25:19.626-03:00

There is no doubt that we are saved by grace. There is no doubt that we cannot be justified by the law, because we have all violated the law. The law can only condemn violators, it can never justify them. If violators are justified at all, it is only by grace and mercy. None of this is being questioned.

The question is whether or not God's grace is conditional upon repentance. It

Your interpretation of Scripture misses the whole ...

2009-07-29T20:45:19.112-03:00

Your interpretation of Scripture misses the whole point. You are blind. Men must be saved by grace or they will never be saved at all. The covenant of works has thoroughly condemned all flesh - the whole world is guilty before God... no man living will be justified in the sight of God... there is none righteous, no not one! That includes men from every age and from every race. Men must be saved

Dear Anonymous, My friend, in all due respect, yo...

2009-07-29T20:45:11.719-03:00

Dear Anonymous,

My friend, in all due respect, you haven't the slightest idea what Dispensationalism is, and for you to accuse me of being a Dispensationalist reveals your downright ignorance of the issues we are talking about. Your accusation is completely uninformed. Please try and understand before you accuse people of things. Though you may not believe me, I say that in love.<

If your view was truly Biblical, you should be abl...

2009-07-29T20:14:10.127-03:00

If your view was truly Biblical, you should be able to support it with other Scriptures, outside of the writings of Paul, but this you cannot do.

The Apostle Peter said that Paul’s writings would be twisted and were “hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:16).

The

Are you saying that people got saved in the Old Te...

2009-07-29T19:48:46.107-03:00

Are you saying that people got saved in the Old Testament by works, but people are saved in the New Testament by faith? Are you a dispensationalist? Paul said that Abraham was justified by faith. Therefore people are saved in both the Old and New Testament in the same way. Therefore passages that talk about the need to forsake sin in order to have mercy and pardon in the Old Testament also apply

Are you saying that there is no distinction betwee...

2009-07-29T19:36:04.395-03:00

Are you saying that there is no distinction between the old and the new covenants? That whatever the Old Testament says must also apply in the New Testament?

According to the Bible:

"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their

Eli, Explain these verses for me: “Let the wicke...

2009-07-29T18:47:08.517-03:00
Eli,

Explain these verses for me:

“Let the wicked FORSAKE his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon” (Isaiah 55:7).

“He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and FORSAKETH them shall have mercy” (Proverbs 28:13).

Hi Chris, True, and many preachers rightfully con...

2009-07-29T16:09:13.588-03:00
Hi Chris,

True, and many preachers rightfully confront the abuses of the gospel which turn the grace of God into a license to sin. If Tozer meant it on that ground then I would be in full agreement with him. However, having read Tozer before, I've read things of his that I do disagree with that come dangerously close to, if not actually, error. I believe the word 'Antinomianism

Username 'Bible' might be misunderstanding...

2009-07-29T15:25:41.387-03:00
Username 'Bible' might be misunderstanding Tozer. I have read Tozer and I think he believes that justification was attained 100% on the Cross. That quote might be saying that what Christians do actually does matter, possibly opposing the belief that if you believe the right things, you can do whatever they wanted. The answer is technically 'yes,' since your works don't

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the w...

2009-07-29T14:48:14.871-03:00
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." (Galatians 2:16)

Gal 3:6 "Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for

Very simple: Tozer is wrong. And for the Scriptur...

2009-07-29T14:46:39.152-03:00
Very simple: Tozer is wrong.

And for the Scriptures you posted, you misunderstand them. Let me post a few which contradict your interpretation of them:

Rom 3:19 "Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by

“If my people, which are called by my name, shall ...

2009-07-28T14:54:25.645-03:00
“If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and TURN from their wicked ways; then will I hear from Heaven, and will FORGIVE their sin, and will heal their land” (2 Chronicles 7:14).

“Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions, so iniquity shall not be your ruin… Cast away from you all of your transgressions, whereby ye

"Fundamental Christianity in our times is dee...

2009-07-28T14:50:52.493-03:00
"Fundamental Christianity in our times is deeply influenced by that ancient enemy of righteousness, Antinomianism. The creed of the Antinomian is easily stated: We are saved by faith alone; works have no place in salvation; conduct is works, and is therefore of no importance. What we do cannot matter as long as we believe rightly. The divorce ... Read Morebetween creed and conduct is

Praise God! The scriptures have shut Jesse's m...

2009-06-11T19:58:25.506-03:00
Praise God! The scriptures have shut Jesse's mouth. Pray that the scriptures also open his eyes.

So Jesse, have you turned away from your sins? Wha...

2009-06-10T01:11:02.135-03:00
So Jesse, have you turned away from your sins? What do you mean by that?

The Bible teaches justification BY FAITH, something you seem to know nothing about. "Therefore it is of faith that it might be by grace." (Rom. 4:16) It isn't by turning away from your sins to get grace, that's an oxymoron. "And if by grace, then it is no more of works, otherwise grace is no

Justification by Works: A man is brought before a ...

2009-06-09T22:12:46.796-03:00
Justification by Works: A man is brought before a court accused of a crime. After providing evidence that he had not committed the crime, the court justifies him.

Justification by Grace: A man is brought before a court accused of a crime. Evidence is brought forth that he is guilty of the crime and deserves punishment. But He does not receive what He deserves, His punishment is set

Eli, Of course I have sinned, and of course the l...

2009-06-09T22:10:11.603-03:00
Eli,

Of course I have sinned, and of course the law requires perfect obedience all of the time. We cannot be justified by our works because we have sinned in the past. But we can be justified by grace and mercy through Jesus Christ if we turn away from our sins.

Eli, thanks again for this reminder. I met you at...

2009-06-09T20:00:38.051-03:00
Eli, thanks again for this reminder. I met you at UCLA in 2006, and it seems like you have learned a lot since then (I'm not implying you were immature before!). It is encouraging to see the Spirit working in and changing a fellow Christian. Keep resting in Him!

John Gill on Matthew 11:28: "Meaning, not th...

2009-06-09T19:21:12.433-03:00
John Gill on Matthew 11:28:

"Meaning, not these who are labouring in the service of sin and Satan, are laden with iniquity, and insensible of it: these are not weary of sin, nor burdened with it; not do they want or desire any rest for their souls; but such who groan, being burdened with the guilt of sin upon their consciences, and are pressed down with the unsupportable yoke of

As a general rule? That doesn't make the cut. ...

2009-06-09T19:15:04.040-03:00
As a general rule? That doesn't make the cut. The law requires perfect obedience or else it is not obedience at all. You have failed. You're just like the rest of us: unrighteous. The only difference is, you've fooled yourself into thinking your really righteous, a holy warrior of some kind, when all along you are self-righteous and deceived, and don't even know what you're

God does not offer us rest in sin. God offers us r...

2009-06-09T19:11:49.106-03:00
God does not offer us rest in sin. God offers us rest from sin. God does not offer us rest from holiness. God offers us rest in holiness.

I like what Wesley and Barnes said about Matthew 11:28:

"...rest from the guilt of sin by justification, and from the power of sin by sanctification." John Wesley

"There can be no doubt, however, that he meant