Comments on Timothy Ministry: Antinomianism

Wow! Thank you Eli for such a well thought out art...

2012-01-10T01:40:00.692-04:00

Wow! Thank you Eli for such a well thought out article. May the Lord speak to the heart of all who read it. Amen

Hey Nate, I wouldn't go to either Falwell or ...

2012-01-09T17:18:37.327-04:00

Hey Nate,

I wouldn't go to either Falwell or Lewis for theology. Neither of them were theologians. I disagree with them both on the point you have shared.

The issue for me hasn't changed since my last few comments. If repentance is required for forgiveness, then none of us are forgiven, since none of us have repented.

Every time we sin we make a freewill

Your definition of repentance have helped clarify ...

2011-12-20T04:41:34.224-04:00

Your definition of repentance have helped clarify the problem for me. Yes, we do see repentance in a very different way. It is true that in Mormon culture, the rhetoric about the repentance "process" sometimes overshadows the role of grace within the process. But the Book of Mormon is very clear about the role of grace, and that it is only through Christ that these sins can be

So must a person repent in order to be forgiven? Y...

2011-12-19T14:42:43.178-04:00

So must a person repent in order to be forgiven? Yes, of course, the Bible makes that abundantly clear. But repentance unto salvation doesn't have to do with dealing with your sin but believing the gospel. This is why it is a one time thing.

The second problem with what you are saying, Nathan, is that you seem to not be making sin an issue of justice. It sounds like for you sin is

Hi Nathan, The trouble is with your definition of...

2011-12-19T14:27:13.186-04:00

Hi Nathan,

The trouble is with your definition of repentance and your view of obedience and disobedience.

In the first place, you are using the word repentance in a very narrow and erroneous way, as the LDS church has taught their members to use it. In Mormon theology, repentance is a five step process of dealing with your sin: recognize, sorrow, confess, make restitution,

So in your view, does repentance have any place in...

2011-12-14T21:30:05.205-04:00

So in your view, does repentance have any place in the gospel? Or is it merely a one-time acceptance of Christ? Does one ever need to repent more than once? When Jimmy Swaggart had an affair, did he need to repent because of his lack of obedience to the works of God, or had he already been saved, so no need?

Does the disagreement lie with the purpose of repentance? In my view, the

Hi Nate, thanks for replying. Actually, this seem...

2011-12-14T14:13:00.431-04:00

Hi Nate, thanks for replying.

Actually, this seems more confusing and less clear. In such a view, I do not know how anyone can ever know they have been cleansed, since cleansing depends upon repentance, but repentance is so undefinable.

How can a person know they are sincere and have comitted? You seem to separated a person's work from the person himself, as if one'

Ok, I'll do my best to clarify. 1. Accepting ...

2011-12-11T18:47:28.089-04:00

Ok, I'll do my best to clarify.

1. Accepting the grace of Christ would mean accepting Christ's forgiveness of our sins and thereby becoming clean before God in that moment. We don't have to "prove" anything to him in order to accept this grace. We just need to commit our life to Him. We accept forgiveness in that moment. But that cleanliness only lasts as long

Nate, You first said that in order "to recei...

2011-12-09T15:44:22.850-04:00

Nate,

You first said that in order "to receive forgiveness, one must repent." You defined repentance as 1) accepting the grace of Christ (I'm not sure what you mean by that) and 2) committing to change your behavior so as not sin again. You said that the committment must be followed up by works, which you insinuated would be imperfect.

So a few more questions:<

Hey Eli, I appreciate your insights. They are ver...

2011-12-09T12:32:36.703-04:00

Hey Eli,

I appreciate your insights. They are very clear.

In Christ's Love,
Logan

Good question. It actually gets to the root of th...

2011-12-09T01:10:36.933-04:00

Good question. It actually gets to the root of the conflict. (Sorry about my rambling rant in my first comment.)

I believe that to receive forgiveness of sins, one must repent. What does repentance mean? For me, it means two things: the acceptance of Christ's grace, as well as a commitment to change our behavior so that we don't commit the sin again. Without that

Hey Nate, The issue of antinomianism can seem con...

2011-12-08T16:05:38.599-04:00

Hey Nate,

The issue of antinomianism can seem confusing, but it really isn't. It's just a matter of asking who is honoring the law for what it is.

Let me ask you a question with regards to the grace/works issue that is very simple:

What exactly does a person need to do in order to receive the forgiveness of sins?

Great post!

2011-12-07T11:52:00.197-04:00

Great post!

Your view on antinomianism is interesting, but I h...

2011-12-07T00:09:02.162-04:00

Your view on antinomianism is interesting, but I have to admit, it is a bit hard to follow. I can't quite see how people who accuse others of being antinomians are the real antinomians, and how Evangelical Christians would be the real legalists, and I read through your essay several times.

You are also quite hard on your brethren in the Bible belt, who give presentations that are