tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post114304729428615456..comments2012-02-17T03:15:07.531-04:00Elihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08568073345901129214noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1145138184069956812006-04-15T18:56:00.000-03:002006-04-15T18:56:00.000-03:00

The following is a link to amn article on homosexuality from Desiring God (resources from John Piper's ministry).<BR/><BR/>http://www.desiringgod.org/library/topics/homosexuality/beliefs.html<BR/><BR/>To quote one sentence:<BR/><BR/>"We believe that a homosexual orientation is a result of the fall of humanity into a sinful condition that pervades every person."<BR/><BR/><BR/>jedd

jeddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1144905303196737212006-04-13T02:15:00.000-03:002006-04-13T02:15:00.000-03:00

In light of Eli's useful insight about the mind, I think it actually supports homosexuality being inherent in some people due to the Fallen Nature of man. God would not have created pre-Fall people (Adam and Eve, and perhaps others) with inherent homosexual tendencies. However, it is possible that since we are born 'fallen', certain elements of the 'image' and 'likeness' of God have become

Logicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1144446042356239422006-04-07T18:40:00.000-03:002006-04-07T18:40:00.000-03:00

Eli,<BR/><BR/>Nice thought about God actually giving them over to these desires. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Logic,<BR/><BR/>Good question about the sexual orientation of God's nature. Know that I'm not avoiding responding. I'm been mulling it over in my own mind (that, and I have about a million things on the go right now!). Look for an answer in the (hopefully) not-to-distant future. I continue to enjoy

jeddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1144350223482017242006-04-06T16:03:00.000-03:002006-04-06T16:03:00.000-03:00

I believe the Biblical definition of a homosexual is a reprobate mind:<BR/><BR/><I>"For this cause <B>God gave them up unto vile affections</B>: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in

Elihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08568073345901129214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1144091508329306312006-04-03T16:11:00.000-03:002006-04-03T16:11:00.000-03:00

Well spoken Eli!<BR/>I too have been quite grieved with the tone of the debate on this delicate subject. I agree with the idea that your blog was meant to be a forum for the edification of believers in Jesus, and should certainly reflect His character. <BR/><BR/>Some of the many comments registered on this subject failed to do that,in my opinion

Grampnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1144083824493586072006-04-03T14:03:00.000-03:002006-04-03T14:03:00.000-03:00

Dear brothers,<BR/><BR/>I have been away for ten days and what I find here upon my return is very sad. There is going to be some changes starting now:<BR/><BR/>-First of all, I will be the first to apologize for my commenting so far since this blog opened.<BR/><BR/>-It's funny, but I can understand where both Paul and Logic & company are coming from. I know with all certainty that Paul is well

Elihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08568073345901129214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143778661497437732006-03-31T00:17:00.000-04:002006-03-31T00:17:00.000-04:00

Adam,<BR/><BR/>Your point about the brain having a causal effect on the consciousness is a good one. However, without getting to deeply into philosophy of mind - a topic that I am certainly no expert in, I believe limiting the 'conscious experience' or 'conscious reality' to the 1 to 1 mapping of neurological event to psychological event may lead to unwanted consequences. (and I do realize you

Logicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143723248639748862006-03-30T08:54:00.000-04:002006-03-30T08:54:00.000-04:00

Logic,<BR/>This is interesting because I recently heard a debate entitled "Theology and Biology". One of the major phrases that I remember is that "your brain makes your reality". It would appear that through neurology, we have been able to located ertain centres of the brain that become active in certain situations (sexuality, music, memory, etc). I know that you know these things. His point

Adam wrightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143702251385461082006-03-30T03:04:00.000-04:002006-03-30T03:04:00.000-04:00

Jedd, <BR/><BR/>about your comment: <BR/><BR/>Excellent insight. However, I do have one question. You claim all people are made in the image of God. I believe you have given good scriptural foundation for this argument.<BR/><BR/>In what sense is the 'image' or 'likeness' of God one of heterosexuality. If God is asexual by nature, how can sexual orientation be part of the 'image of God' that

Logicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143701838604950922006-03-30T02:57:00.000-04:002006-03-30T02:57:00.000-04:00

Adam,<BR/><BR/>I've been thinking more about the Darwin debate over the origins of homosexuality.<BR/><BR/>Genetics do not tend to have a very strong effect on psychological states or desires. The one acception to this that I can think of would be a type-A personality; but i'm not entirely sure thats genetic.<BR/><BR/>I think the root of my question is: how much bearing on behavior or impulses/

Logicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143700656119925182006-03-30T02:37:00.000-04:002006-03-30T02:37:00.000-04:00

Paul West:<BR/><BR/>I find it confusing that you are so hostile toward other Christians. I do not believe anyone has been hostile and judged your salvation. <BR/><BR/>It is true, I made a remark about getting your degree off the internet mainly becuase something you said was incompetent. It was obvious, at least to me, that if you had a divinity degree you wouldn't have said it.<BR/><BR/>But

Logicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143700465289521192006-03-30T02:34:00.000-04:002006-03-30T02:34:00.000-04:00

Well then...<BR/><BR/>Nick, I think your point that homosexuality is a much-misunderstood subject within the body of Christ is a very good one. I must say that, until the salvation of some posters was brought into question, I thoroughly enjoyed reading the posts in this thread. To those of us that are left who have the maturity and sensibility to carry out fruitful, God-honouring debate (yes, I

jeddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143694485712554242006-03-30T00:54:00.000-04:002006-03-30T00:54:00.000-04:00

The most rediculous thing about it is: we have never told anyone to shut up. This is a prime example of a person who can't give account for their faith and can only rip off bible verses (usually out of context). Pride is a sick thing.

Adam wrightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143693045240259322006-03-30T00:30:00.000-04:002006-03-30T00:30:00.000-04:00

Sorry I should have specified. The useless and foolish things are really more the personal attacks and sides taken. Not really things that are debated, but things that are coming out of the debates is what I am attempting to point out.<BR/><BR/>Graham

Grahamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143692810837655022006-03-30T00:26:00.000-04:002006-03-30T00:26:00.000-04:00

I'm sorry to see that this has been a cause for you to fall out with eachother. I am the first to admit that I am not all that wise, and I know I still have alot to be desired concerning my faith. But am I the only one who sees that we are fighting over foolish and useless things. <BR/><BR/> I am not suggesting that to discuss and debate theology is unimportant, nor am I saying that we should

Grahamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143683144623632472006-03-29T21:45:00.000-04:002006-03-29T21:45:00.000-04:00

This is reminding me of a typical open-air session on a Friday or Saturday night where all the loving and tolerant "Christians" coming from the bars start to get mad and tell me to shut up and stop judging them. C'mon guys. <BR/><BR/>I see I've been put in the same same "arrogant" and "spiritual-elite" category as Eli's now in. Well, so be it.<BR/><BR/>Adam, yes, I HAVE chosen a very lonely road.

Paul Westhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07814374294101759751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143678068430098872006-03-29T20:21:00.000-04:002006-03-29T20:21:00.000-04:00

Well well well, looks like Ive started a debate. Rev West, good to see youre back again. How's the ol' army barracks treating you?<BR/><BR/>Now, I had a whole post written but realised that I dont really care enough to get into this deeply. I began by stating that Im embarrassed as a Christian for how my faith as spoken about and treated people who are gay. Its a disgrace to a religion built upon

nicholashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09003992885288169582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143666120342145282006-03-29T17:02:00.000-04:002006-03-29T17:02:00.000-04:00

Logic,<BR/><BR/>Good comments on Darwinism. Sadly, if it were that easy to refute homosexuality in genes, it would have been done by much greater minds than mine long ago. Still worth throwing the argument out there for discussion, though.<BR/><BR/>I would like to know how prevalent homosexuality is in non-north american societies or perhaps non-culturally dominant societies. I can't help but

Adam wrightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143665449638448332006-03-29T16:50:00.000-04:002006-03-29T16:50:00.000-04:00

Paul West,<BR/><BR/>Please stop posting, or at least in response to Logic. You are making me sad with your comments. Do you even realize that much of the church foundations (ie middle ages) was founded on a type of philosophy called "scholasticism", that is, an Aristotelian philosophy? Have you considered, like many many many historians, Platonic philosophy to be an enlightenment to the Greeks

Adam Wrightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143660158798008172006-03-29T15:22:00.000-04:002006-03-29T15:22:00.000-04:00

PS:<BR/><BR/>Who is the "debate seeker" now?

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143660112666807092006-03-29T15:21:00.000-04:002006-03-29T15:21:00.000-04:00

Hey Paul, <BR/><BR/>I thought you said SEVERAL posts ago that you weren't going to be posting any more. Interesting...

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143659968659009552006-03-29T15:19:00.000-04:002006-03-29T15:19:00.000-04:00

I think it is absolutely awesome that a group of young people asked Eli to pray for them. I find more and more that people,especially young people, are becoming more receptive to the Gospel message. I believe that God wants to pour out revival on this area of Canada. I beleve that God wants to raise up the young generation, to serve as His army. You see dry bones? I see an army!<BR/>Eli, continue

Adam Ohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11792826042585181596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143658864548127362006-03-29T15:01:00.000-04:002006-03-29T15:01:00.000-04:00

Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all, and holiness, without which no one shall see the Lord;

Biblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143652970670779722006-03-29T13:22:00.000-04:002006-03-29T13:22:00.000-04:00

Dear Logic,<BR/><BR/>The very men you align your "great" thinking with (i.e. Socrates and the like), were utter fools in God's eyes. This was the very "wisdom" that fueled the mockery of the Stoics and Epicureans when Paul spoke of the resurrection. It disturbs me that you praise the "wisdom" of these ancient Greek philosophers (many of which were homosexuals, by the way).<BR/><BR/>It's funny

Paul Westhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07814374294101759751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143613380608511002006-03-29T02:23:00.000-04:002006-03-29T02:23:00.000-04:00

A quick word on Darwinism:<BR/><BR/>Adam's argument, that homosexuality woudl be selected against in Darwinian evolutionary theory, is an excellent point!<BR/><BR/>However, there is one possible problem that should be addressed. Darwin evolution only selects for or against traits that are reproductively siginificant. For instance, if men were born with no genetalia due to a disorder, this would

Logicnoreply@blogger.com